Extraterrestrial civilization

[Joad vlami]

Do believe you before this? Well, in , newcomers and so forth
Did see you something similar?

[Dsino]

Do believe you before this? Well, in , newcomers and so forth
Did see you something similar?





Greatly it is desirable to believe…. greatly it wishes…. But .....: (
Years 20 ago above my city at night flew vast bright sphere, it flew slowly, for a while it hang above it, and then it descended beside the lake. and it vanished…
About this they wrote before the newspapers, there were eyewitnesses.
They gasped, they sighed…
They then printed explanation… , something in the Kola peninsula they there launched beside space. and… Well, on the whole, to me this not to comprehend…
But before the childhood, before the sleep. I flew away with the newcomers:.
But does can this was not sleep? ;)

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

But to me without the difference. As before the film: there is whether life on Mars, no whether… ;)

[GNeat av dhi cmakes]

But before the childhood, before the sleep. I flew away with the newcomers:.
But does can this was not sleep? ;)
I think that not sleep. From where then before you this poetic gift? Not otherwise, cosmic radiation assisted.

[Dnepra]

I greatly much read literature beyond the theme of fantasy. About any , which saw many, I usually with the smile bypass take in. There are rare natural phenomena or starting of space rockets or the aircraft also of the probes, which can be compared with .





Why to they do not go down the contact with the earthlings? Yes because we yet did not grow to the contact. How many wars, how many crimes, how many human sins on the Land. As it is dangerous to give to criminal any instrument created for the sake of minds . For we as animals, not line the not understanding values of life itself and mind.

[Ivin av]

and I think that “to ” - this is “that peace”, parallel, before other measurement, beside which we fall after death. more frequent under the guise any frolic, but sometimes, when necessary man about which that important to warn come angels… ;)

[Dsino]

and I think that “to ” - this is “that peace”, parallel, before other measurement, beside which we fall after death. more frequent under the guise any frolic, but sometimes, when necessary man about which that important to warn come angels… ;)





… as it would be desirable before this to believe…. ;)

[Joad vlami]

Dnipro, and if you suddenly meet with , that you would do?! ;) B)

[Dnepra]

How many films and books are created about the first contact with . Contacts different occur. Cordial - “close contacts of the third degree”. Bloody - “Mars attacks”. With the attempt the annihilation of all humanity - “Independence Day”. There is before the story (I do not remember name), which so did not take place contact - drew together both spaceships, which so for long expected, who will begin the first, preparing as far as its armadas of weapon. And rapidly they went away before the unknown directions so that they would not pursue and would not learn the coordinate of planets.
Any contact, if we visualize, they are possibly unexpected. They will take away you, as the experimental rabbit, they will disengage in order to thoroughly study completely building man. But can, they will take for the food of . Can, as the ambassador of Lands, for deciding some verdict before one of the stellar systems, in the emperor palace. Much everyone can occur. Highly developed , with the summit of science and technology will not begin simply so to give to earthlings its equipment, for example, spaceships or the vehicle of time. This is dangerous for all humanity. We do not know as them to control, we do not know their laws of physics. Not that let us press button - the floor of Lands it will take. But if they do fall into the hands of criminals?
We are still distant to the first friendly contacts. They do not go down us, only they observe. Possibly, before the configuration of man is changed the history of humanity, for the rescue of the entire living world and humanity. With this juvenile human mind, to us still it takes a long time to walk before the time. We should still master the laws of the physics of the universe so that they would reach the level of . It is necessary to still and become highly-cultured, without the thoughts of capture, robbery, murder.
Against my place, I would raise hand upward, he would say by good cordial word. It would show all curiosities of our of Lands, great people, would show that the fact that Land and humanity is proud our. But what there will be consequences - let the offspring of humanity be then judged. Let they mention and place memorial as to the first person established the first contact.

[Joad vlami]

Dnipro, you was late…
Alas, contacts exist. Consequences are lamentable. The majorities of people, which had a misfortune to reveal curiosity to and to enter this contact, are damaged by mind… For phenomenon comes down us not from the light, but from the dark. I.e., these unhappy people, without suspecting, enter beside the contact with the demonic peace… Almost all - people, which transferred severe illness or suffered stress situation.
Before their time many researchers OF , after accumulating the large number of certificates about the so-called contacts, began to prevent the population: run from any contacts, they are extremely RISKY. This turning of the consciousness of researchers is explained very simply. Indeed contact - this is always contact, against some level - high or low. And honest researcher cannot but see the extremely negative consequences “of contact with ”, but that the simple curiosity, which is ended lamentably.
You will compare description the sensation of the effect of the spirit of saint before the conversation with saint Serafim - with the stories of about the contact with . These are sky and the earth! And if before the contact with the god before the prayer, during the phenomenon by saint of holiest Mother of God are felt heat, , and man remains himself itself, it can talk for the sake of those surrounding, then in person, who made contact with , face is bent, hands involuntarily stir, it seemingly is disconnected from that surrounding, will completely it is paralyzed. Cases occur, when entire person becomes as if paralyzed, it cannot move. I.e., before the contacts available the forced subordination of the will of man by demonic essences.
The information of is almost wholly uncertain still and because they most frequently - sick for the sake of body and by soul people.
Among those there were no orthodox, church people. Believers very rarely see (apparently, only as temptation or connivance at the point of some reasons), “plates” to them they do not arrive flying, with them do not associate - because such people have the panel of faith, which covers them from the unnecessary sight of the perfumes of spite of , the paradise of God protects from the intrigues of devilish.
But those, who forgot road beside the temple and were gas casualty by curiosity and desire something to look, can see not only , but also other devilish “miracles”. Just they become the preachers “newest theories” in the area of irregular phenomena.
Briefly stated, , which outwardly look like “to ”, this before the internal essence of …

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

But to me it is interesting, why church does negate the possibility of extraterrestrial life in any form?

[Dnepra]

not “Of ” or is still worse than something. These are the highly organized entities, and still high(ly)-inspired. They most of all, than entire church with , with its dogmas. If otherwise - they would swallow without ceremony entire Land, with their wars of conquest, they more shortly destroyed entire living on the Land. Why they this did not do?
Contacts, are shorter, there do not exist. This of fabrication media outlet and other people in order to raise interest about this theme. Information - food of journalists. Disappearance and appearance of people before other places, converted before the morons and that are more similar - me are caused smiles. Why about this they do not blow before the first pages, before the most respected newspapers?
First contact with - this very from the most events before the history of humanity revealed. As for long dreamed humanity to meet for the sake of . And this dream still will be for long before the hearts of people. If contact occurred, then for humanity this is vast jump in all areas of science and technology, and also art and culture. But most important, let us forever forget about the fact that we are uniform before the universe.

[Joad vlami]

Against my place, I would raise hand upward, he would say by good cordial word. It would show all curiosities of our of Lands, great people, would show that the fact that Land and humanity is proud our. But what there will be consequences - let the offspring of humanity be then judged. Let they mention and place memorial as to the first person established the first contact.





Why to show “to them” all curiosities of our of Lands and so forth, if “they” such highly developed and constantly they control us?! In all probability, “they” so all know… To you something “them” to show… “They” are necessary another…

[Joad vlami]

But to me it is interesting, why church does negate the possibility of extraterrestrial life in any form?





It is more exact - it does not negate, but IT PREVENTS…





However, the unit of the spiritually illiterate intelligentsia took the thrust mode of rector as semiliterate person, and writings as fairy tales. In reality the representatives of Russian clergy, and especially , were the people both before the theology and before the secular sciences, they knew ancient and modern languages. In Russia during XVIII and partially the 19th Century was issued the literature, directed against the entrainment by different anomalies, (then this it was named ) and the like but all this little is known down our contemporaries, lazy and incurious.
Orthodox people do not, as a rule, see and enter not beside any contacts with “extraterrestrial essences” - simply they know well their nature from the gospel and the exercises and do not seek enticing “sight”. Them protects from the devilish intrigues the panel of faith, the paradise of God.





In order to comprehend that this is erroneous, it is useful more detailedly to be introduced down some certificates of the past.
In reality even term itself “flying saucer” appeared not at our days, it was Italian monk even in XVI century.
But here are some earlier observations.
IN THE XV century to Christmas of pharaoh during several days Christ's in Egypt above the multiple army was observed in the form of panel, about which was done the recording before the so-called “lion papyrus”.
In 1556 before the sky Of was observed “the war” of white and black .





by angels”, or, speaking, by modern language, contact, and unhappy, verified , actually reaches them beside the captivity…

[Joad vlami]

It would be desirable to give one example of that how and so-called relate down the prayer and the cross sign.
Father superior N:
“Reading the book before the waiting room, I did not note, as two girls approached me. One of them sat down beyond the bench on the contrary, and another, before , down haunches, it is closer to me.
- Father, and it is possible to you to pose one question?
- Certainly, I answered, after raising head from the book.





After noting my perplexity, it clarified, after nodding the friend:
- We with it were this summer in the village in grandmother. Dispatch once along the path along the field. Suddenly we see: descends some aircraft, similar on , as they draw them on the pictures. Leaves from it the little fellow of meter by one-and-a-half growth. This fear attacked on us! It is simple horror! - girl became silent, as if remembering experienced impression.
- Well and you- that, did request I, that she did do?





But and how everything was finished?





Well and you as do think? Who, in your opinion, fears cross and prayer?
- They indicate that impure… Only we very before them did not believe. But that, perhaps in reality there do exist?





Girl , they thanked and flew away beside the end of the hall”.

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

TATIANA,
thanks at the point of the response, but all reasons is very and very unconvincing. no scientific basis by church he is given, however, as by supporters . Someone sees “it is non” in the form green little fellows or the black and white troops, someone - angels, the phenomena of the virgin of Maria and Christ itself. If sight (i.e. “black forces”) do occur practically only in people of unbelievers, with the cloudiness of reason, is not the sight “white forces” in people of believers the same cloudiness???
“Among those there were no orthodox, church people. Believers very rarely see (apparently, only as temptation or connivance at the point of some reasons)”

[Joad vlami]

but all reasons are very and very unconvincing. 





Entire matter before Vera… Monastery, seem, Catholic?!
But to that, who wishes in detail about this to know from the point of view of orthodoxy, I do propose the book of father superior N. “from what us they do wish “to save””?

[Dnepra]

To before the configuration of … Interesting version. Little I believe before this.
Why to they do not wish to be met? I already supposedly answered, see above. Why they do observe? If happens something terrible besides humanity, they can prevent, interfere beside their matters. Before their interests survival of Lands, humanity. For them this as the demonstrative book of the history of Lands. By them it is very interesting to look from the ancient amoebas to future -. This is very interesting and instructive history. Possibly, they have this law - to never not add before matters of strange peaces. This it is always pregnant for the sake of the unpredictable consequences.

[of the VaNentinas]

About and attitude toward them of orthodox person it is possible to read before this book - Serafim Rose “orthodoxy and the religion of the future” (you will not be sorry after reading)
It is possible to say briefly that on this theme, there are such questions, which must answer the science. Church of the responses, down questions which relate down the rescue of man, the interrelation of god and man and so forth and the questions of the type: “there is whether life on Mars is there no life on Mars…” they do not relate down the competence of church. But when these questions begin to invade the spiritual life of man, church voices its relation on this problem, and thus far there can be different opinions in different people. Therefore not necessary they do not fear sometimes to say - “I do not know”. Before questions of those being concerned the competence of science, must answer the science. For example were here said that there exists many planets before the universe. So here this by science is not confirmed, is observed the quantity of objects before the universe literally counted on one hand which can be as that named planets, but about the life on them and the speech been it cannot. Our planets this exclusive phenomenon before the universe. Or other, theoretically it is possible to accelerate some object to the light velocity, but that besides it will happen after this difficult to forecast, so here to the nearest star light to go will be very for long. But faster-than-light velocities thus far as me it seems are only before the fantasy available. Well certainly to me they will answer this us inaccessibly, and this elementarily is received in “them”. So here having said so we we go away from the field of science we enter into the area of fantasy and Hollywood.
let us to the earth and look the historical certificates of contacts, contact with the extraterrestrial mind had long ago been happened about this and bible tells us. Bible can be considered as the document of the contact of the highest personal mind - god based on one side and humanity with another. To us openly that there is an invisible spiritual peace, and before this peace there are so forces opposing to god and to his angels, this the fallen perfumes who also desire the loss of humanity. Perhaps you did not note what giant-size of gallops before your spiritual, cultured and scientific development obtained humanity after rendezvous with the god. Contemporary science appeared and there exists because of Christianity (this I I can prove). Regarding , or the fallen angels these are not those comic characters of the national creativity: outgrown the mechanical ohm of entity with the tail and the five-kopeck coin and not western gentlemen with the sword and before . Any of is non according to holy Serafim , it can by one grapplers break the earth, but god prevents that.
None to , not people of the future with their improbable equipment can never be equal as far as possible with , but those more with the angels. No equipment will make evil good, pious, cad polite. No certainly can, but only after this of men it will cease to be itself itself. The question arises: how any entity, man or “” will become perfected. In what way? Here this answers Christianity - only of the faith before the god. And if are the perfected and developed civilizations before space, they are still Christians! There is no other way.

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

Monastery, seem, Catholic?!





yes, Catholic. but they are based on this it is not changed - the differences are very unessential between the catholicism and the orthodoxy and there are very few of them. before some dogmas and everything. even orthodox church differently is named - difference from the Catholic Church consists only besides the pronunciation of one and the same word of catholic. and they are - one. therefore I do not see the particular difference between the Catholic and orthodox monastery.

[Dnepra]

. of the Valentinas.
To you it is necessary to read a little well latest achievements in the fields of science, and especially: physics and astronomy. You say that by science it is not confirmed about many planets before each star. All our giant-size terrestrial telescopes, radiotelescopes physically cannot against this distance examine planets. In order to see planet on the nearest to star At the point of centaurs necessary to construct telescope, with the diameter of mirror beside thousands of kilometers. This already the area of fantasy. Scientists already find increasingly more stars with their planets. Because of the exact detachment, with the help of the powerful computers they find the strange orbit perturbation of stars, intensity of the glow and so on. You say that the Land is unique before everything. I do not argue, yes actually. But this we so consider, thus far still officially, without having met . For , with their empire of many peaces - this is common planet, on the remote back street of galaxy.
For , it is confident, simply there is no concept - religion, with their and angels. They achieved the summit of all perfection. They know entire galaxy, as its five are digital. Whom to still worship? Any mysterious phenomenon is mandatory, they investigate by their science and they then give the basis of this phenomenon.
This we worship to god. We fear the dark, frightening lightning or earthquake, fear the solitude of Land itself. We fear everything which is unknown to man. Pray to god in the hope that it will condescend and it will help humanity. Church, with their dogmas will be gradually faded under the pressure of all of the new discoveries of science and technology. That is unknown to man, will become known. Those, gigantic terrestrial forces will be available down us. Man will completely control entire Land, then the Moon, Mars and so on. But when humanity already matured - will be contacts with the extraterrestrial civilizations, with their laws the empire of galaxy. Thus I think.

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

And if are the perfected and developed civilizations before space, they are still Christians! There is no other way.





and as centuries-old affirmation, that man - the rim of creation and that Land - the center of the universe??? Let us forget about the discovery of Copernicus and will represent that really all planets are turned around the Land. but how other “rims” can dwell somewhere there, before the unattainability of light years? more logical it would be and other planets “place” before the center of the universe so that all “” would be number. probably, so it would be even that… above which… more conveniently observe and look us.

[Joad vlami]

But personally me based on the childhood itself and, until now, does not leave surprise - I cannot occur that our universe IS INFINITE! I.e., it does not have boundaries. … There is neither beginning nor end…
To my small is very difficult this to comprise…: (

[Dnepra]

But it does not seem you that man stands in the middle, between two infinities - microcosm and universe. Microcosm - also infinity - atoms, protons, quarks, gluons. It is how much must to man in order to master entire universe and secrets of microcosm?

[of the VaNentinas]

. of the Valentinas.
To you it is necessary to read a little well latest achievements in the fields of science, and especially: physics and astronomy. You say that by science it is not confirmed about many planets before each star. All our giant-size terrestrial telescopes, radiotelescopes physically cannot against this distance examine planets. In order to see planet on the nearest to star At the point of centaurs necessary to construct telescope, with the diameter of mirror beside thousands of kilometers. This already the area of fantasy. Scientists already find increasingly more stars with their planets. Because of the exact detachment, with the help of the powerful computers they find the strange orbit perturbation of stars, intensity of the glow and so on. You say that the Land is unique before everything. I do not argue, yes actually. But this we so consider, thus far still officially, without having met . For , with their empire of many peaces - this is common planet, on the remote back street of galaxy.
For , it is confident, simply there is no concept - religion, with their and angels. They achieved the summit of all perfection. They know entire galaxy, as its five are digital. Whom to still worship? Any mysterious phenomenon is mandatory, they investigate by their science and they then give the basis of this phenomenon.
This we worship to god. We fear the dark, frightening lightning or earthquake, fear the solitude of Land itself. We fear everything which is unknown to man. Pray to god in the hope that it will condescend and it will help humanity. Church, with their dogmas will be gradually faded under the pressure of all of the new discoveries of science and technology. That is unknown to man, will become known. Those, gigantic terrestrial forces will be available down us. Man will completely control entire Land, then the Moon, Mars and so on. But when humanity already matured - will be contacts with the extraterrestrial civilizations, with their laws the empire of galaxy. Thus I think.





Peace to you!
That respected you idolized your “”, ascribed down them the godly properties: holiness, infallibility, omniscience and so forth this common paganism, by no means new idea, your idea is idea about the gods - “” - paganism under the mask of pseudo-science.
The technogenic development of the civilization is unavoidable of to the crisis and the loss. All technogenic civilizations on the earth perished. But harmonics (not technogenic) exist also on now. Church does not negate science, but it prevents: if there is faith before the god no equipment it will not help. That also is evident before modern world, peace stepped back from Christianity and the systemic crisis struck science, there is no penetration down the new level of the development, the development only of old ideas by which years 100 not less. (For example the break-up of the American program of the launch of shuttles). The second sign of the crisis of contemporary civilization and science, the offensive of occultism, classical science retreats it comes paganism.
Science is the faithful ally of church, we together now under the impact of pseudoscience and occultism. Open any newspaper and you will see about than there they write: astrology, magic, witchcraft and so forth of (pseudoscience): , ex-ropeJonsRick, , pedagogy so forth all this occupies the mind of contemporary person, by no means classical science and not the faith before the god.
What did help “” to avoid our errors, or the laws of nature there others and they all did immediately become sinless? You only a little think about this. In what way they could become gods?
You stationed of the god of nonexistent “” and they idolized them. By the way are religious sects those being worshipping to , this religion is developed between the technical intelligentsia being been fascinated by fantasy and the computer. Almost they all finish life by suicide on the religious motives: “death - route to the stars and other extraterrestrial peaces”. Imagination encountering real life it leads down the psychological crisis, men it ceases to absorb real life, it all becomes on the earth disgusting, it is approached its dream - rendezvous with “great ” whom it they will save from all its personal problems and problems of all humanity.
Technogenic person is pitiful, entire is hung by instruments, computers, life-support systems and by other amulets; on the whole “the planet There is no , water, there is no air, there are no minerals, it is populated by robots”.
But without their “glandules” they will be empty place. This is the blind alley of human development, perhaps you do not see this?
Improve soul, you be with the god and no “glandules” will be necessary for the happiness. (entrainment by ) this religion and not science, allow oneself before this report, and then all will become before its places.
One of the highest virtues of Christian - (not to give itself to carry away beside the peace of imaginations and falsehood).

[of the VaNentinas]

and as centuries-old affirmation, that man - the rim of creation and that Land - the center of the universe??? Let us forget about the discovery of Copernicus and will represent that really all planets are turned around the Land. but how other “rims” can dwell somewhere there, before the unattainability of light years? more logical it would be and other planets “place” before the center of the universe so that all “” would be number. probably, so it would be even that… above which… more conveniently observe and look us.





Peace to you!
Spiritual center and geographical mandatorily do not coincide. But that it would be necessary to place it down the center of the earth. Others, by people peaces this is only imagination. The center of peace there where the god appeared to people. For our rescue it is not important to eat other planets. Lord himself arrived against us, this most important!

[of the VaNentinas]

yes, Catholic. but they are based on this it is not changed - the differences are very unessential between the catholicism and the orthodoxy and there are very few of them. before some dogmas and everything. even orthodox church differently is named - difference from the Catholic Church consists only besides the pronunciation of one and the same word of catholic. and they are - one. therefore I do not see the particular difference between the Catholic and orthodox monastery.





Peace to you!
Difference before the dogmas, this difference before the view beyond the peace, the man and the god, this is substantial!
Orthodox monastery and Catholic, this is not one and also. On this read before the theme “orthodoxy”

[Joad vlami]

It is more exact - it does not negate, but IT PREVENTS…





To before the configuration of … Interesting version. Little I believe before this.





Dnipro, focus attention on both theses even you will comprehend that this not that you thought.

[dxe Micc- beacant wamam]

Peace to you!
Difference before the dogmas, this difference before the view beyond the peace, the man and the god, this is substantial!
Orthodox monastery and Catholic, this is not one and also. On this read before the theme “orthodoxy”





To me is interesting, someone of the Catholic “fathers of church”, saint and TP it will be read a little by orthodox? (to answer this question possible before the appropriate theme)

[Dnepra]

I simply am surprised before your, unusual mode of thinking, . of the Valentinas. Well it is agreeable, we will not be about this.
of the Valentinas

[of the VaNentinas]

Any educated person, down entire this filth will not take this closely down the heart and will pass by. A little it will read, will listen to in someone and not more. These sciences it is intended for the fools. This is one additional profit besides air.
of the Valentinas





But it seems me, this is the best version for extracting mineral, and other requirements of man, far from the Land. These are the cheap resources, which will 24-hour supply to the earth. Land will be completely purified of unattractive plant smokestacks and spoiled rivers. We will again become in private with nature.
. of the Valentinas. I have to you a question.
From where and when did appear god? God - this that, infinite substance? Billions years ago and still will be in the future?
To the existence of the universe - there was nothing absolutely. There was rather another universe, with other measurements. Before which, as a result the evolution, are faster, the burst occurred at the point of some reasons. As a result what appeared our universe. In such a hell of giant-size burst, any living being, itself also and god could not survive and change beside our universe. Passed billions years, thus gradually, appear the new forms of life, and further civilization.
“God created people”… But as himself god is created? Indeed cannot he himself model, to most that being omnipotent?
It is good, when in the morning it wishes down the work, and it in the evening wishes home (It .)
Greatest luxury on the earth - luxury of human contact (Antoine de Saint- Exupery)

[Joad vlami]

But it does not seem you that man stands in the middle, between two infinities - microcosm and universe. Microcosm - also infinity - atoms, protons, quarks, gluons. It is how much must to man in order to master entire universe and secrets of microcosm?





I worship before the creator of all this…

[Gxosd]

1) Addition to “the symbol of faith” (to dogma “of trio”) to (it indicates the possibility of the condescension of holy spirit not only from the God- father, but also from the God- son, i.e., of Christ);
2) dogma about the chaste conception of the virgin of Maria and her somatic ascension;
3) dogma about the infallibility of dad;
4) celibacy (inhibit of conjugal life for the clergymen).
Additions will be?

[Gxosd]

of the Valentinas
Science is the faithful ally of church, we together now under the impact of pseudoscience and occultism. Open any newspaper and you will see about than there they write: astrology, magic, witchcraft and so forth of (pseudoscience): , ex-ropeJonsRick, , pedagogy so forth
If it is not difficult, it is possible for about the reasons that, why () pedagogy is negatively estimated by the Russian Orthodox Church?

[of the VaNentinas]

If it is not difficult, it is possible for about the reasons that, why () pedagogy is negatively estimated by the Russian Orthodox Church?





Peace to you!
With the return you!





pedagogy: it is done before the sect
All sects have one general tactics: they consider that no one is right to voice judgments according to their activities, which do not coincide for the sake of their self-appraisal. In this case sectarian of proceeds based on sufficient- after all the rather insolent sending, that if it is much firmly to lie, and in this case to regularly threaten by court to its opponents, then, putting it mildly, “variegated” sectarian ideology sooner or later will appear after all before the community consciousness before the snowy- chaste form.
What precisely the sects wish to hear about themselves, but what they to hear do not desire - one can see well from my discussion with Mr. ., chairman of the board of the Moscow center of pedagogy.
So that the occult philosophy, which in reality present “”, more easily would be spread in the Russian schools, they greatly worry about their image as purely secular organization. Therefore each time, as before the press they mention “ pedagogy” as the religious doctrine, . writes protest.





In me is stored already the sufficiently representative fitting of the letters g. Of to the different media, which permitted itself to impart something to it unpleasant. And each letter ends for the sake of reminding about “st. 43, 44”. With this g. is ready to negate obvious and simply commonly known.
For example, . is stirred up - “it is incomprehensible, why before the context of the discussion of - schools in . floated up theme, and what set up academy. I impart that the academy of eurythmy is independent variable from the movement by organization, and its installation has nothing in common with “the cultivation of pedagogy”.
The discussion deals for the sake of my interview at the point of the newspaper “Moscovite” (27.10.94). Before it I expressed my perplexity thereby that the religious doctrine Of . receives state support and state financing in Russia. I recalled that in 1992. The ministry of culture of Russia set up and began to finance the academy of the of 1. Mr. assures, that “nothing in common” with “ pedagogy” eurythmy does not have.
I understand, that this academy is not administratively subordinated down .. But the negative of that is the component part of the pedagogy - this is already straight lie. “Eurythmy - this art, which before not , and which was based by Rudolf Steiner. Eurythmy - compulsory object in any school " 2. . - the contemporary chief of the international movement of pedagogy. However, what this . does contradict its authorities?





. , for example, writes that the ideological side of anthroposophy “nothing in common” has with the movement of theosophists and never was pupil . . But he will not begin to negate, that initially Steiner generally completely was drawn off for the sake of the theosophic occultism. Or he was the Secretary General of German theosophic society, without sharing the occult doctrine of theosophists? But to be theosophist - does not indicate to become the pupil of the founder of theosophic movement . ? Yes, Steiner moved out the theosophic society, when . she proclaimed Krishnamurti by living Christ -. But this was the birth of particular heresy within the theosophic “church”. And anthroposophy itself also is not more than the heresy within the framework of occultism. This is how is characterized anthroposophy “orthodox line” of the theosophy headed by Of the .: “I Steiner toward the end life descended based on the route of light, and its temple was annihilated by destructive ray " 3. pupil Of . . it clarifies, before what there was the principal error of Steiner: “To the number of secret, and, consequently, the riskier enemies of theosophy belongs anthroposophy and its followers. Although neither very exercise of anthroposophy its nor followers speak discovered against theosophy, before this consists principal danger and its great harm… Western peace believes before the fact that the Christ - uniform son of uniform god. Steiner leaves before the entire force and this error " 4.
Thus, the discord of theosophists and antroposophists - this altogether only the intra-family scandal. . writes that “we do not deal for the sake of theological (before the spirit of gnosticism, and the like)”. This affirmation is easily inspected. The basic features of gnosticism are clearly formulated by well-known orientalist ... 10 basic theses of occult gnosticism, that distinguish it based on the biblical world view, are presented as far as it before the book “ philosophy” (M., 1994, ss. 20-22). “Secret doctrines” both . and . and . are completely unanimous with the pseudo-Christian gnosticism of the beginning of our era.
One additional intra-family scandal in the camp of - this is the close of schools in Nazi Germany.
To the especial displeasure of Mr. the international Christian seminar “totalitarian sects in Russia (Moscow, May 1994), before which participated the representatives of 14 Christian churches from many countries of world, noted the anti-Christian and racist nature of anthroposophy Of .: “Particularly we wish to stress anti-Christian, occult, anthroposophical foundation “ pedagogy”. We express our extreme perplexity thereby that this racist and antisemitic system, hostile to Christ's exercise, which in the countries of Europe is supported only by particular and community initiatives, it met state support in Russia. To us are introduced by illegal and incorrect the activity the ministries of culture of Russia, which set up the state academy of art, just as the activity of the ministry of formation of Russia, which directive supports anthroposophy, also, before the public schools of that leading the instruction across the system of pedagogy " 5.
Based on the side of ., of course, followed the protest.
So there were Nazi notes before the ideology of ? . Steiner still in 1915 wrote about himself as about “the prophet of the mission of German race”. Ernst Bloch before his book “principle of the hope”, which entered the classical library of contemporary philosophy, he writes: “theosophy has nothing general with the Christian mysticism… “Solar Christ” of Steiner became for the new heathens and “German Christians” the god of nature of Nordic fascism, who made it possible to join with Sigfried " 6.
The lines, Steiner's which bring together with the German Nazism and the history of the interrelations of schools and Nazi regime are traced before the article of Holland professor . . “Waldorf-Education. An outdated of combination of of religion and education " 7.
Protestant of the pedagogy of Franco it notes that “too frequently Of new-Age and cultivate the obsolete myths, seemingly the cult of German did not coexist with Auschwitz " 8.
the Occult- heathen nature of German Nazism is well known. And Steiner occultism contributed down the creation of that anti-Christian, background, which made accession of Nazi- heathen myth possible. In particular - by general for all theosophists exercise about seven races of humanity, from which century - this is the time, when begins to be born highest “sixth race " 9. subsequent persecutions down the Steiner schools based on the side of Nazis - this is the already “intra-family scandal”, similar down persecutions down the Trotskyites based on the side of in the neighboring country.
From itself I speak nothing will be on Steiner's himself world view. Here are delays from “philosophical encyclopedia” (from it the best, famous “fifth volume”): “In 1902. Steiner turned himself down the theosophy. The German department of the theosophic society, where it developed exceptionally violent activity, headed. Steiner constructed the anthroposophical temple Of (mandrels, Switzerland). In 1923. temple burnt - in spite of the forecast of Steiner, that it will stand 300 years. Very exercise of Steiner is the syncretic connection of western and eastern religious- occult exercises, before which it is possible to separate the elements of gnosticism, pythagorean mysticism of the numbers, cabbalism, occultly interpreted Christianity… The whole system of the steps of dedication with the rites of initiation like the Masonic was worked out. First stages included dances, manufacture of eurythmy, formulating theatrical mysteries. Particular secret courses were read for those dedicated. Man, on Steiner's exercise, before with the traditions of ancient occultism, forms microcosm before the composition of physical, ether and astral bodies, the ether body condescending beside the man with the eruption of molars (about 6 years), and remaining - with the achievement of sexual maturity. These spheres reflect three steps, concerning which passed, according to Steiner, before its formation world spirit; based on 1909, i.e., based on the discovery of anthroposophy, the peace entered the fourth phase, on which is formed spiritual “I " 10.
Thus, Steiner's exercise is nevertheless and religious, and anti-Christian. Steiner, for example, claimed that the Christ was not they , since “the spirit of Christ” it decided not to suffer, and therefore previously, even to the crucifix it left the somatic shell “of the person Of " of 11.
The schools are “” only that meaning, that they set themselves according to all Christian immediately. . so writes about this: “When they speak about the pedagogy, then the discussion deals for the sake of a way of life. The specific characteristic of schools is the fact that all members of corporation see one and the same spiritual target. It became rule, that the teachers cannot fulfil their responsibilities without the careful study of the human science Of . and without the internal efforts, which requires the anthroposophical way of development” (, .257).
Thus, both children and teachers must gain not simply knowledge about the religion or anthroposophy - but suffer corresponding religious experience: “It is necessary to give to children to gain religious experience” (there, .106). “One once a week for the children is tripled religious , which introduced Rudolf Steiner” (s. 107).
It is interesting, by the way that at a convenient time the antroposophists can claim something the directly opposite: “the instruction of anthroposophy before the school - this 12”.
To teacher the study of the occult doctrine of Steiner must help, in particular, the fact that it must learn to recognize before the children experience of their past (.109). In “- schools themselves is accepted free Christian religious training” (ibid). “Free” here means - that representing not one of Christian , while “Christian” it means altogether only anthroposophical- occult. But it nevertheless acknowledges that the religious education in these schools exists. “Based on the first on the fourth class instruction is constructed on the basis of the stories, which wake up to read a little gentlemen of god, godly before nature” (ibid).
Here is an example, as this is done: to arithmetic little-ones they tell on the lesson: “Some legends about the origin of peace narrate as of one element they were born everything else. They divide whole for obtaining of units. Giving missions past the arithmetic, teacher constantly indicates one and the same principle: it will be divided into parts, is expanded certain unified whole. The children must feel against some moment that in the final analysis the peace is also unity (according to Piaget, not only those, who was obtained religious education, they were inclined to consider god the creator of all real)” (there, .134). So juvenile consciousness is prepared to the reception of the basic occult axiom: God and peace is one and also, and good and evil (even and odd) is two sides of one absolute, uniform beginning. Before “theosophic dictionary” . , to which is obligated Steiner as far as the basic features of his world view, this is discussed as follows: “Demon of est Of deus of inversus. - axiom; literally “devil is the inverted god”, which means that not it neither evil nor good, but those forces, which create one, create another, in accordance with nature of materials, on which they act " 13.
Pedagogical fruitfulness of pedagogy in the teachers causes numerous doubts: “Child is placed before the conditions of such laws governing the development, that his self-consciousness and dialog with the peace cannot be developed. Hardly them it is possible to consider capable besides decision making and down the dialog " 14. book is named “the ways of petrifaction”, since Steiner (steiner) in German - calculus.
Steiner pedagogy cannot be effective, because against its foundation lies very obsolete of natures and of the 7- summer development periods of man (from which already had long ago been failed psychology of development) 15. “” are forced to keep at the point of this truly antiquarian scheme because, according to Steiner, of soul occurs gradually, by cycles on 7 years: first lowest, animal soul enters into new body, and only to 21 year beside the man finally latter “”. Probably, not without reasons . named Steiner “quarter that formed”…
, before starting Steiner's anthroposophy beside the Russian schools, would be worthwhile to listen to the fact that spoke about it the Russian philosophers.
Seeds Frank: “Before two forms occurs, in the area of the exercises about the soul, the elimination of the scientific knowledge: in the form the naive falsification of science through its unaccountable, confused mixing for the sake of the religion and the mysticism and in the form the conscious negative of science. A first we have before the such popular now and theosophic exercises about the soul, which themselves name themselves secret science (“Steiner's Geheimwissenschaft”!). At present, of course, already it cannot be relate with the groundless negative as to the solid superstition and the charlatanism, to the entire area of the mentioned exercises: too much here proved to be the facts checked and is too clear their communications for the sake of the most interesting achievements of officially acknowledged scientific psychology (hypnosis, “subconscious” and the rest). The interest before this area detect now all living, unprejudiced minds, it is subjective, on its sympathies and mental habits completely distant from it. And groundless negative and is here usually only the sign of haughty, pseudo-scientific defile. Above all fact it remains undoubted, that in the manner that for the most part are conducted research of this type, they represent the intolerable mixture of objective observations for the sake of the subjective fantasy are and, most importantly, based beyond the grossest mixing of science for the sake of the mysticism, equally distorting that, etc and leading down some to unnatural realism. The delicate, -, without anything not comparable area of spiritual life, attainable only to the internal contemplation, is examined here as something seen, tangible, material, above how it is possible to run external experiments that it is possible even to weigh and to photograph; and precisely in view of this false rationalization actually of super-rational the actually rational moment of everyone - precision of concepts, sequence and validity of thinking, the delimitation of that proven and objective from the doubtful and that not verified - becomes completely impossible; both charlatans and have here in view of method itself, in view of the basic prerequisites of research unavoidable superiority over conscientious and cautious people” 16.
. : “Rarely who manufactured down me the impression of so a person as Steiner. Not one ray of that falling on top. All he wished to mine from below, by the passionate effort to burst open to the spiritual peace… Some antroposophists manufactured down me the impression of people of those obsessed, that are been in a maniacal state. When they pronounced “doctor (Steiner) he said”, then the expression of eyes was changed, face was made by something different and cannot be continued conversation was. The believing antroposophists are much more than dogmatics, are much more authoritarian than the most orthodox orthodox and catholics… Such persons as (emissary of Steiner in Russia) could have an effect only in the atmosphere of the cultured elite of that time, by occult moods and by searching. In this atmosphere there was much unconscious falsity and self-deception, was little love at the point of the truth. They wished to be deceived and tempted. Suffer could not criticisms” 17. However, still saw among the theosophists “Russian boys”. Now remained only “ layer, which predominantly consists besides I will give, which is pulled to the theosophy on the same heat-cool motives, which draw them to the charity, to the moralizations, to the small miracles of personal life” 18.
About the impression Is. of Sergius Bulgakov, Steiner “amateurish” know philosophical currents. “He writes as person, who was never coming into contact himself with philosophy” 19. “- in is not either “the deepening of Christianity”, at the point of which it itself gives or even heresy either particular current before Christianity - it simply nothing in common with Christianity has, and this quite approach is self-deception or well-known imitation. Even the most complex and intricate gnostic formations, about which maintained to us the memory the history, were distant from those occult dreams, dressed - forcibly it is blasphemous - beside the modes of gospel, and in comparison with this even blasphemy of eastern theosophy with their star of the east seem by innocent well-meaning foolishness before the comparison with this persistent and in German firm doctrine. Attempts at the connection essence either misunderstanding and stupidity or autohypnosis and charlatanism… To such an extent everything differently, far is alien, that involuntarily arises the latter question: to what all this ? Why to dress completely world view before the Christian clothing, why “fifth gospel” to present as continuation and interpretation of four gospels of church? To what this syncretic masquerade, and is not better whether, similar to eastern theosophy, it is discovered to drop out from Christianity? ” 20.
One additional Russian philosopher and teacher ( Vasiliy ) notes that “the exercise about the man in represents the sufficiently random report of the different ideas, eclectic undertaken from the Hinduizm and the so-called “sealed” literature. In Steiner all this several , but basic defect remain: motives and bases of the demarcation of different “sides” before the man and in it are unusually unsteady” 21. “Anthroposophy itself names “”, although it is the exercise about the dark spirituality before the man: anthroposophy does not know the secret of man before his wholeness and before his personal attitude toward god, but it is based only on what we subsequently will name “dark” spirituality” 22.
Boris , bright expert of European philosophy, also testify that “Steiner completely before the authority of confused subconsciousness, his conscious thought is archaic and infantile, for scientifically- philosophical and mystical it eternally remains unenlightened. Steiner dreams and dreams; this is the precious source of knowledge, but there are “prophetic sleeps” and delirium occurs. After an example of such a delirium can serve Steiner's ” 23.
Nikolai also cannot express compliments before the address of the theosophy: “All this exercise is overfilled by the information about nature of the sun and different planets, about different perfumes, which populate them, about the effect per capita of dead person, by information by clearly imaginary, that fall outside the limits of available down man experience and detecting its bankruptcy, since certain of them contradict the general reliably known principles of building peace. For example, Steiner claims that the burning gases are located only beyond the periphery of the sun, but within it there is nothing material, even space (R. Steiner. Lanthanum of vie of apres la of mort. p.42). It is difficult to comprehend, as man thinks, capable of speaking about the sphere, whose periphery is spatial, but interior not that so that is empty, and it is in no way spatial! ” 24
The attitude of Ivan toward anthroposophy is expressed before his letters apropos of the book of Andrey (B.N. ) “Rudolf Steiner and Goethe before the world view of the present” 25. “this personal spite, which sufficed in order to write disgusting pamphlet beside 300 forty one page:. it detects with the entire obviousness that this is such at the point of “the catharsis” of soul, which is accomplished under the leadership of Rudolf Steiner, courses of which, as far as your acknowledgment, “it cannot be with impunity listened to”. On the truth: “on their fetuses you learn them… Libel g. Of - poison gas, directed before the person Of against all us, against all workers before the sphere of the Christian of religion and European culture. The annihilating friendly counteraction us all to Steiner's system, through the violence above the souls of its followers mends violence above the good name and the honor of all thinkers freely - is our general duty and the Act of self-preservation! … friendly counteraction not only against this fact (libel g. Of - against . ), but also against the false- ideological primary source, i.e. against the organized anti-culture of , since otherwise will follow without the number and the measure the new facts of flouting individuals and ideas… Advanced by Steiner “anthroposophy” - exercise is hostile and present philosophy, and to authentic art” 26.
Anthroposophy has long ago been familiar to Russian culture. And therefore it is not worthwhile to speculate on the Soviet and post-Soviet ignorance and to make form, as if only and ignoramuses oppose the intervention of Steiner beside the Russian schools.
However, antroposophists are ready and the most prominent Russian philosophers to represent as the ignoramuses. Read carefully: “Before one of the letters down unit . writes that in 1904 Bulgakov to him (I transmit meaning as far as the memory): “Theosophy this still nothing. Now us expects already the present dark - !”. It is possible to present the question: and on what, strictly, leant Bulgakov, when in 1904. did take out its judgment? Must be, down the brilliant intuition. In any case not down the sober analysis. At that time in Russia, besides insignificant before the theosophic logs, no books Of there was published” 27. I Sergey Bulgakov it becomes before the eyes of readers such about - the Krushchev times: “Pasternak I did not read, but I will say…”. However, before those years Russia was not from the European cultured life. Yes even Bulgakov could work by no means only with the transfers; he knew German language wonderfully, and in Germany itself he occurred. Specifically, knowing - which occurs before the religious life of Europe, Bulgakov warned its friends in Russia from the entrainment by new fashionable sect.
I do not enter into the selection of the pedagogical aspect of matter. I know from the German sources that in “ schools” in children more badly is developed mathematical and - scientific thinking. However, as far as artistic, figurative thinking is concerned, it too does not gladden, because that interpretation of the peace of artistic modes, which they give in these schools, carries the occult nature, which shields the nevertheless Christian content of the majority of the products of European art by itself. As a result before the upper classes the schools of Germany are forced to cover entire their specific methodology and it is simple to train pupils about the common programs - so that those could normally put state examinations.
However, letters g. Of - reception, common for many sects: they sect infuse beyond their “not- religiosity” for the fact that to without difficulty break rule about the secular nature of formation. Before Russia so perform sects of the type of (whose manual “my peace and I” am issued by the set up by them allegedly by the secular “international pool for formation”), of and antroposophists. As a result before Russia school proved to be isolated from the church - but not from the sects.
However, how “” anthroposophy, can be judged as far as the following praise, pronounced by antroposophist . before the address of anthroposophy: “Anthroposophy is today the sole form of the consciousness of living and for a second time, but already before our consciousness of risen again Christ” 28. It is understandable that the current, which lay claims down the role “living Christianity”, is religious, and, since it still and thinks of itself “for the sake of sole”, which means, it feels itself still and by certain alternative to historical, church Christianity.
hopes at the point of the fact that its incantations they will verify at the point of the word. Is worth it only saying that, the miller is “anthroposophy - not sect, but spiritual science, before its sources the expanded to natural science”, so all only they will be enraptured. But word “science” resounds completely definitely for me. Before the science it is accepted to demonstrate all methods, with the help of which you arrived against your results. These methods must be acknowledged and utilized as far as other scientists (moreover independent of their personal religious positions). Any result before the science must be reproduced by other researchers, and thus we inspect. However, Mr. - you will explain to me, as far as what precisely method Steiner arrived against the conclusion that certain “sister's soul of Adam” first was embodied before Krishna, and then - “before the boy from the pommel”, and as a result twelve-year old “is connected with the force of Krishna, by Krishna” 29. poor - before it, proves to be with itself, there was the whole legion of the perfumes: “the boy Of bears now “I” ”; “beside the astral body of the boy Of enters Buddha”. This that - natural science?
From a scientific point of view this is simple delirium. But before recognition of Christians this even and delirium is blasphemous. The fact that the church does not hide its point of view down “ pedagogy” as down the sectarian methodology, Mr. does not, of course, please. But people must know different opinions - at least in order to select its route. As about this prevented, for example, the Lutheran church of Germany: “In any case, Christian- parents must not remain before the error, that standing above “by pedagogy” the Steiner mode of man for understanding of Evangelical church is not biblical " 30. Both catholics and orthodox with this are completely agreeable: the Steiner system “ schools” is occult, but by no means Christian or -31.





That more religious “ pedagogy” in Russia will bloom by magnificent occult color. And hundred additional schools will change down religious status, being counted in this case by completely “secular”.

[of the VaNentinas]

Question:
I think, conversely. Science goes fast, and especially in the last decade. You will compare, 500 years of the congestive science of the middle ages and last 50 years, to the present day. There were no personal computers, Internet, cell phone, space rockets and so on before the 50- years, 20 centuries. Distance and time gradually are compressed. Let us assume men based on distant Australia, at the point of several seconds, it is possible to say to vapor of words and to look it. And in several hours it will arrive in me. With the American shuttles - this is the temporary suspension, before the complete clearing up of the circumstance of recent catastrophe. And important reason - is , excessive pride and boasting. Our former Soviet snow-storms had a module of safety. In the case of catastrophe, this module rapidly is disconnected from the burst of all ship. Why America does not wish to follow an example of our snow-storms?
Response: All these ideas exactly were born before the Christian middle ages, just as science itself. Without Christianity of no science before the contemporary understanding it would be. You that do not know that all distinguished scientists were by Christians and scientific method was undertaken from the Christian theology. In you a good technical formation, it's a pity humanitarian you obtained only based on the atheistic manuals of the USSR. The crisis of fundamental science - this fact which recognize all real scientists. All that you speak it relates down applied science, this only grinding of junk. nuclear energy, reactor arrangement - system “the steam locomotive” Of - 10% of efficiency (as furnace “small stove” which they sink by the valuable books). To computer as system not less than 300 years, “robot” and that more. The rockets of 1500 years ago Chinese devised. Humanity fell beside technical “” (deficiency of time), staple goods (toys for the adult children) is improved, but those in whom the authority above the peace long ago already everyone figured out. You about “gold billion” did hear? But the program “of gliding of family” you do know? About “the globalization” already precisely they heard.
We not against the science, but against “” (about the rules if the food cooled it they throw out down the slop-container, but hungry on no account free of charge they will not give) the life, when before the favor besides the luxurious life of some, others they die based on the hunger. No science will help to be cultured and good, no “cell phone” it will make man spiritually sensitive, some of each other next do not hear and do not see, although they have a good hearing and a view, what there Australia. To improve is necessary first of all the soul of man, and equipment it is equipment, without the man the heap of glandules.